FW: [Babase] GPS Notes for Babase/General Use
Catherine Markham
amarkham at princeton.edu
Wed Sep 9 10:42:40 EDT 2009
Ok - thanks for the clarification, Lacey. Seems to me this would be a
good thing to have a set rule on so that we don't have to guess what the
B/E specifically refer to. Just my two cents...
Catherine
Lacey Maryott wrote:
> In General, "B" and "E" indicate the beginning and end of the teams time
> with given groups, so it seems that they mean the same thing here, and
> are unlikely to represent the actual length of time that the subgroup
> existed.
> The notes in the GPS file that I got just said that they couldn't find
> four individuals. They went and found them and GPS'd them as the
> subgroup. They then 'went back to the main group'. Handwritten September
> Demog and Subgroup notes won't be here for a while, but you could ask
> the team? This should be pretty fresh in their minds.
>
> Lacey
>
> Catherine Markham wrote:
>> So the "S" and "E" indicate the begin/end of subgroup formation, or
>> the begin/end of the team's time with a particular subgroup? If you
>> don't mind me asking, what do the hand-written subgroup notes look
>> like for Weaver's group on this day?
>>
>> Catherine
>>
>> Lacey Maryott wrote:
>>> To Be clear, I don't believe these notes in the GPS are to the
>>> exclusion of handwritten notes.. It is notes to me saying, "These two
>>> points were with a subgroup, then we went back to the main group."
>>> For example, (and I sent Niki an attachment off-list)
>>>
>>> W0830 04/09/2009 08:30 37 M 287371 9699372 1131.8
>>> WBS 04/09/2009 09:05 37 M 287978 9697232 1140.5
>>> W0930 04/09/2009 09:31 37 M 287978 9697230 1142.6
>>> WES 04/09/2009 09:48 37 M 287980 9697234 1141.4
>>>
>>>
>>> The note to me in this case would be that they were with the subgroup
>>> at WBS ( i am interpreting this as 'Begin Subgroup'), W0930, and at
>>> WES (End Subgroup?). There are notes written to me to imply this. We
>>> just want to be sure that it is clear what these notations mean, or
>>> be able to integrate the notes associated with the files to let the
>>> user know what the notations mean, OR come up with a standard system,
>>> or all of the above.
>>>
>>> I really hope this is making more sense now. I certainly didn't mean
>>> for this to get so complex.
>>>
>>> Lacey
>>>
>>> Niki Learn wrote:
>>>> Perhaps an example would help? Where can I find one? 'Cause I'm
>>>> really
>>>> quite sure the conclusion of the one part of that string (I think
>>>> this was
>>>> while you were out for the wedding) was that the notes should still be
>>>> handwritten, so I'm not sure how that might have gotten lost on the
>>>> Kenya
>>>> end since Susan was very involved in the conversation. I think they
>>>> were
>>>> supposed to include an S on the GPS (sorry - don't know where I
>>>> pulled psion
>>>> out of...) to denote that it is a subgroup but beyond that the GPS
>>>> was not
>>>> supposed to contain further information.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Lacey Maryott [mailto:lacey.maryott at duke.edu] Sent: Wednesday,
>>>> September 09, 2009 9:18 AM
>>>> To: Niki Learn; The Baboon Database Project
>>>> Subject: Re: FW: [Babase] GPS Notes for Babase/General Use
>>>>
>>>> The GPS is what these are collected in. That is where you will find
>>>> the data, and I send that to Catherine periodically. But yes, as
>>>> Susan recalls they never came to an agreement as to what to do in
>>>> the GPS, although the team has been recording these subgroupings as
>>>> best as possible in the GPS units with notes, and different
>>>> notations. I don't think the data is lost, it is there, it is just a
>>>> matter of understanding it, and being able to get it back out
>>>> somehow. That is what my initial e-mail was in reference too.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this clarifies
>>>> Lacey
>>>>
>>>> Niki Learn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sure - I tried to look it up but there were so many emails going on
>>>>> then I
>>>>> had trouble tracing the one thread to figure out what the
>>>>> conclusion was.
>>>>> But it looks like we are both agreed that regardless of what they were
>>>>>
>>>> doing
>>>>
>>>>> in the psion they were supposed to be writing down subgroup notes on
>>>>>
>>>> paper.
>>>>
>>>>> Wonder how they came to be putting notes in the psion...? Maybe I
>>>>> need to
>>>>> dig into those files to add whatever notes are in them to the subgroup
>>>>> tables I've been putting together. -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Catherine Markham [mailto:amarkham at Princeton.EDU] Sent:
>>>>> Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:24 PM
>>>>> To: Niki Learn
>>>>> Subject: Re: FW: [Babase] GPS Notes for Babase/General Use
>>>>>
>>>>> I do get those messages, but thanks for checking.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for what was discussed with the subgrouping, I actually thought
>>>>> we had decided not to ask the team to add the "S" to the Psion (I
>>>>> could be mistaken, though). Instead, I thought it had been agreed
>>>>> to record everything by hand on the subgroups datasheets. It is a
>>>>> bit discouraging to hear now that nothing was ever solidified (I
>>>>> somehow had a different impression by the end of our email
>>>>> exchanges about all this). Shoot, certainly would be a real shame
>>>>> to have lost data on a fission simply because protocols weren't in
>>>>> place.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll be in the lab tomorrow. Maybe we can rethink the exchange
>>>>> about all this in person then?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Niki Learn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you get this? Not sure if you are subscribed to both lists...
>>>>>> Isn't
>>>>>> this off?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: babase-bounces at eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU
>>>>>> [mailto:babase-bounces at eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU] On Behalf Of Lacey
>>>>>>
>>>>> Maryott
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:45 PM
>>>>>> To: The Baboon Database Project
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Babase] GPS Notes for Babase/General Use
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Susan said that she spoke with them team while she was there, but
>>>>>> nothing was ever really solidified in terms of what they are doing
>>>>>> or how it should be standardized.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Niki Learn wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought from the big discussion in June that field personnel were
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> supposed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to include an S (for subgroups) in the psion waypoint name and then
>>>>>>>
>>>> write
>>>>
>>>>>>> out a normal subgroups note on paper as they normally would...
>>>>>>> Is that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what is happening?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By the way, in addition to the data Catherine and I are compiling on
>>>>>>> subgroups, I just finished putting together a table showing all
>>>>>>>
>>>> sightings
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the Ositeti subgroups in 2009. It is difficult to tell who is in
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> group
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> at any given time because, though 17 baboons have been sighted in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> group
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> at one point or another this year (Jill and 16 males, four with
>>>>>>>
>>>> collars),
>>>>
>>>>>>> the team typically only lists about 1-3 individuals seen in the
>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>
>>>> (if
>>>>
>>>>>>> any). And there has only been one formal census of one of the
>>>>>>> subgroups
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> year. I was hoping to at least sort out which group Lawyer (with
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>> GPS
>>>>
>>>>>>> collar) is in but he is often listed alone or with a subset of other
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> males.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Other times he is seen with Jill and other times with Latin (and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> supposedly
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Latin is in a different subgroup from Jill). So maybe he is
>>>>>>> bouncing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> around
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a lot but it would be helpful to know which subgroup he is in at any
>>>>>>>
>>>>> given
>>>>>
>>>>>>> time so we know which is being tracked on GPS. The groups were more
>>>>>>> consistently referred to as either Jill's or Latin's in the July
>>>>>>> data
>>>>>>>
>>>> (or
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> at
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> least the big and small group, the small being Latin's), but not
>>>>>>> always.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Niki
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: babase-bounces at eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU
>>>>>>> [mailto:babase-bounces at eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU] On Behalf Of Lacey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maryott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:35 PM
>>>>>>> To: The Baboon Database Project
>>>>>>> Subject: [Babase] GPS Notes for Babase/General Use
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just a note about GPS data
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is starting to be the case that the GPS files coming back from
>>>>>>> the field are containing extensive notes about subgrouping, etc.
>>>>>>> It is becoming clear to both Susan and myself that a good system
>>>>>>> for 'notes' and documenting this needs to be developed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In addition, we will also need to be sure to include in the
>>>>>>> babase design for GPS data (whenever that happens) that we will
>>>>>>> need to have a 'notes' capability of some sort to include these
>>>>>>> notes about which subgroups the observers are with, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just something we should be keeping in mind
>>>>>>> Lacey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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