[Babase] [Fwd: Re: OFR error 9 feb]

Susan Alberts alberts at duke.edu
Tue Jan 27 13:20:53 EST 2009


I agree the Psion data for OFR that day should be deleted.
Susan

On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:08 AM, kfenn wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I just mentioned to Jeanne that this OFR issue had not been resolved  
> (see below).  She feels the psion sample row should be deleted.  If  
> Susan can give the final OK on this, Lacey can make the change and  
> put this to rest.
>
> Thanks,
> Tabby
>
> Karl O. Pinc wrote:
>>
>> On 12/10/2008 08:55:35 AM, Lacey Maryott wrote:
>>> Hey Tabby,
>>>
>>> I'm sending this to the babase list because I'm honestly not sure  
>>> if it can just be deleted.  I'm assuming it can.   Karl, is there  
>>> a validation rule that is creating this error? Make sense that  
>>> there would be.  If I can get the all clear from the powers that  
>>> be (Susan, Karl, Jeanne if you are following this) I will go ahead  
>>> and just delete these since I know there is no data other than  
>>> that she was out of sight.
>>>
>>> Lacey
>>
>> (FYI This quoting style make it hard to tell who said what.)
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the lookup, Lacey.
>>> Are you allowed to delete the sample?  I can't update the statdate  
>>> to her true deathdate because the validation rules are telling me  
>>> that she can't be recorded as dead the same day she has a row in  
>>> SAMPLES....?  Probably a new (and rare) problem with the  
>>> validation rules.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tabby
>>>
>>> Lacey Maryott wrote:
>>>> Hey  Tabby,
>>>>
>>>>  I just looked at this, and OFR was out of site for the whole  
>>>> sample on 9 Feb. That just means they had her picked to sample  
>>>> that day, but when she wasn't there, they just went through her  
>>>> 10 minutes entering that she was out of site, presumably incase  
>>>> by chance she rejoined the group. Hope this helps!
>>>>
>>>> Lacey
>>>>
>>>> kfenn wrote:
>>>>> Hi Lacey,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not even going to attempt to explain how I found this screwy  
>>>>> thing, but I need your help to correct it so I can update the  
>>>>> statdate.
>>>>>
>>>>> OFR (Omo's) has a demog note for 9 Feb 2008 that says she was  
>>>>> not found during the census.  However, she has row in SAMPLES  
>>>>> for this date (it didn't throw an error for you because I put  
>>>>> the demog note in so Babase assumed she was really in the census  
>>>>> that day.).
>>
>> Yes, putting a demog note in for an individual makes them present
>> on that day.  Right now there is no provision for having
>> a demography note for an absent individual.  If we
>> want to do that I could make some changes.
>>
>> One way around this is to mark them absent (A) in
>> CENSUS on that day, but _not_ mark the census row
>> CEN column TRUE, so it'd be a census row that's
>> _not_ there because of a census.  Right now,
>> when a demography note goes in and there's an
>> absence recorded in census, the demography note
>> changes the absence to a D, indicating presence
>> due to demography note.  It could check the CEN
>> column and only make the change when the CENSUS
>> row was input as part of a census.  That way you
>> could manually put an 'A' in and it would "stick"
>> when you put a demography note in.  (We'd also
>> have to have the manual "A" automatically removed
>> when the demography note was removed -- I think.)
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you check on this and let me know what we ought to do?   
>>>>> Deleting the SAMPLES row would make sense it unless OFR was  
>>>>> actually there that day.  In that caseI need to change the  
>>>>> census from absent to present.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tabby
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Tabby Fenn
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>>>
>>> Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
>>> 401 Guyot Hall
>>> Princeton University
>>> Princeton, NJ  08544
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Lacey Maryott
>>> Alberts Lab
>>> Department of Biology
>>> Duke University
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>>
>> Karl <kop at meme.com>
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> Tabby Fenn
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>
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