[Babase] Statdate problem for End June 2009

Susan Alberts alberts at duke.edu
Fri Oct 30 14:22:52 EDT 2009


I think it makes sense to just wait until the next update for this  
record.
S

On Oct 30, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Lacey Roerish wrote:

> I gotcha, I see she didn't even complete an incomplete census that  
> day, it looks like she just went to the group to check on the  
> consorting pair.
>
> Susan, do you think it is safe to just hold back this one consort  
> and hope I remember to enter it during the 09B update... is it worth  
> just creating a demog note for the 2 individuals Courtney recorded  
> as having consorted that day, so that I Can add it now?
>
> What is your intuition?
> Lacey
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Niki Learn <nlearn at princeton.edu>  
> wrote:
> Right, well, that’s a totally random piece of data – one consort on  
> a noncensus day when no other data was collected…  Unless we wanted  
> to get really freaky and enter the first census day for July now  
> (which sounds like trouble), I think you’re just going to have to  
> save that one for 09b.
>
>
> 29 June for Weaver’s is in.
>
>
> From: babase-bounces at eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU [mailto:babase-bounces at eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU 
> ] On Behalf Of Lacey Roerish
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 1:50 PM
>
>
> To: The Baboon Database Project
> Subject: Re: [Babase] Statdate problem for End June 2009
>
>
> There is consort data for June 30, which is why I am getting an  
> error in Linda's.
>
> Thanks!
> Lacey
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Niki Learn <nlearn at princeton.edu>  
> wrote:
>
> Linda’s should be fine.  The last incomplete census was June 27 and  
> the last team census was June 29….  I don’t see any agonism data for  
> after that date.
>
>
> Getting ready to upload Weaver’s now.
>
>
> From: babase-bounces at eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU [mailto:babase-bounces at eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU 
> ] On Behalf Of Lacey Roerish
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 1:13 PM
>
>
> To: The Baboon Database Project
> Subject: Re: [Babase] Statdate problem for End June 2009
>
>
> It looks like Weaver's and Linda's. Everyone elses data went in  
> fine! :-D
>
> You probably should log in as admin when trying to create tables in  
> pending.  As for the 'types' of data, You might look on the ppa  
> website  http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.1/interactive/ 
> bookindex.html    I only use a couple of different types because I  
> don't know what the rest of them mean.
> I mostly use character, char var, numeric, date, time without  
> timezone as they are the only ones I understand :)
>
> Thanks again
> Lacey
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Niki Learn <nlearn at princeton.edu>  
> wrote:
>
> No, it won’t take me long at all.  I can do it after lunch.  Is  
> Weaver’s the only group affected?
>
>
> I got stuck trying to create wounds tables in pending anyway.  Do I  
> need to log in as administrator to make those or something?  Getting  
> weird errors.  Also, is there a list somewhere of what all these  
> options in the type column are???  I couldn’t find one and many are  
> not self explanatory.
>
>
> From: babase-bounces at eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU [mailto:babase-bounces at eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU 
> ] On Behalf Of Lacey Roerish
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 12:56 PM
>
>
> To: The Baboon Database Project
>
> Subject: Re: [Babase] Statdate problem for End June 2009
>
>
> Animals who would be included in her census would be the only  
> animals affected by this anyway as Courtney won't know them to  
> collect data on them. So as long as the statdates are updated for  
> those animals who she would be collecting data on, everyone would be  
> covered.
>
> This is likely to only occur on this update, and potentially 10B as  
> I think Courtney will be back in kenya then.  So it wouldn't be a  
> recurring problem.
>
> It would also mean just holding back one or two lines of data which  
> can very easily get lost, unlike cycles, which are bigger events,  
> which can't and won't be lost.
>
> It it looks like something that you just won't have time to do by  
> Tues, does it make more sense for me to enter these few demog notes?
>
> Thanks
> Lacey
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Niki Learn <nlearn at princeton.edu>  
> wrote:
>
> Hmm…  When we have any kind of cycling (example a cycle has begun in  
> June or December but has not been completed by the last census day  
> and so is left dangling) or reproductive data (example a birth  
> estimated to be at the end of June but after the last census date)  
> that occurs at the end of an update period we hold it over for the  
> next update.
>
>
> I can see why we might not want to do that for agonisms in December  
> (although you guys do male agonisms for the first half of the year  
> separately?) since I guess we’d want them included in the 09b update  
> in order to count them when doing the ranks.  Does it matter for  
> June?  Will you do the 09a male agonisms before the 09b update?
>
>
> I can add a census column for 6/29 BUT the animals that Courtney did  
> not census (mostly juveniles) would still not have a change in  
> statdate since they would still get no census record for that day.   
> I guess for male ranks only the adult male interactions matter  
> though so it would be okay if only the adults were marked through  
> the 29th?
>
>
> Niki
>
>
> From: babase-bounces at eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU [mailto:babase-bounces at eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU 
> ] On Behalf Of Lacey Roerish
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 12:34 PM
> To: The Baboon Database Project
> Subject: [Babase] Statdate problem for End June 2009
>
>
> Hi All!
>
>     I am working on the uploads of data and have found june to be a  
> bit tricky.  Since Courtney is often in the field collecting data on  
> 'last days' when the team isn't doing a complete census, the  
> 'censored' statdate of individuals in Weaver's group is 6-27,  
> however courtney has (at least) agonism data for animals on 6/29.
>
> Is the best solution here to add demog notes? It looks like Courtney  
> did a partial census that day.  I know we set up a rule that we  
> wouldn't enter her partial censuses unless a demographic change  
> occured.. but maybe we should add to this these special june and  
> december cases where we are likely to have interaction data  
> corresponding with her partial census.  If we don't use that partial  
> census, the animal's statdate is before its final interactions for  
> the 6 month update period.
>
> Let me know if I need to do anything on my end to make this happen  
> so I can get these data in.
>
> Thanks
> Lacey
>
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