[Babase] [Fwd: Re: OFR error 9 feb]

kfenn kfenn at princeton.edu
Thu Feb 5 13:05:54 EST 2009


Lacey,

Is this on your radar screen or 'to do' list?  Can you send me an email 
when the row is gone so I can make the changes to OFR statdate?  I'm 
worried I'm going to forget about it.


Thanks,
Tabby

Susan Alberts wrote:
> I agree the Psion data for OFR that day should be deleted.
> Susan
>
> On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:08 AM, kfenn wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just mentioned to Jeanne that this OFR issue had not been resolved 
>> (see below).  She feels the psion sample row should be deleted.  If 
>> Susan can give the final OK on this, Lacey can make the change and 
>> put this to rest.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tabby
>>
>> Karl O. Pinc wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/10/2008 08:55:35 AM, Lacey Maryott wrote:
>>>> Hey Tabby,
>>>>
>>>> I'm sending this to the babase list because I'm honestly not sure 
>>>> if it can just be deleted.  I'm assuming it can.   Karl, is there a 
>>>> validation rule that is creating this error? Make sense that there 
>>>> would be.  If I can get the all clear from the powers that be 
>>>> (Susan, Karl, Jeanne if you are following this) I will go ahead and 
>>>> just delete these since I know there is no data other than that she 
>>>> was out of sight.
>>>>
>>>> Lacey
>>>
>>> (FYI This quoting style make it hard to tell who said what.)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the lookup, Lacey.
>>>> Are you allowed to delete the sample?  I can't update the statdate 
>>>> to her true deathdate because the validation rules are telling me 
>>>> that she can't be recorded as dead the same day she has a row in 
>>>> SAMPLES....?  Probably a new (and rare) problem with the validation 
>>>> rules.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tabby
>>>>
>>>> Lacey Maryott wrote:
>>>>> Hey  Tabby,
>>>>>
>>>>>  I just looked at this, and OFR was out of site for the whole 
>>>>> sample on 9 Feb. That just means they had her picked to sample 
>>>>> that day, but when she wasn't there, they just went through her 10 
>>>>> minutes entering that she was out of site, presumably incase by 
>>>>> chance she rejoined the group. Hope this helps!
>>>>>
>>>>> Lacey
>>>>>
>>>>> kfenn wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Lacey,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not even going to attempt to explain how I found this screwy 
>>>>>> thing, but I need your help to correct it so I can update the 
>>>>>> statdate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OFR (Omo's) has a demog note for 9 Feb 2008 that says she was not 
>>>>>> found during the census.  However, she has row in SAMPLES for 
>>>>>> this date (it didn't throw an error for you because I put the 
>>>>>> demog note in so Babase assumed she was really in the census that 
>>>>>> day.).
>>>
>>> Yes, putting a demog note in for an individual makes them present
>>> on that day.  Right now there is no provision for having
>>> a demography note for an absent individual.  If we
>>> want to do that I could make some changes.
>>>
>>> One way around this is to mark them absent (A) in
>>> CENSUS on that day, but _not_ mark the census row
>>> CEN column TRUE, so it'd be a census row that's
>>> _not_ there because of a census.  Right now,
>>> when a demography note goes in and there's an
>>> absence recorded in census, the demography note
>>> changes the absence to a D, indicating presence
>>> due to demography note.  It could check the CEN
>>> column and only make the change when the CENSUS
>>> row was input as part of a census.  That way you
>>> could manually put an 'A' in and it would "stick"
>>> when you put a demography note in.  (We'd also
>>> have to have the manual "A" automatically removed
>>> when the demography note was removed -- I think.)
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you check on this and let me know what we ought to do?  
>>>>>> Deleting the SAMPLES row would make sense it unless OFR was 
>>>>>> actually there that day.  In that caseI need to change the census 
>>>>>> from absent to present.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tabby
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tabby Fenn
>>>> Research Assistant
>>>>
>>>> Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
>>>> 401 Guyot Hall
>>>> Princeton University
>>>> Princeton, NJ  08544
>>>>
>>>> 609 258-6898 (Ph)
>>>> 609 258-2712 (Fx)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Lacey Maryott
>>>> Alberts Lab
>>>> Department of Biology
>>>> Duke University
>>>> ph: 919-660-7306
>>>> fax: 919-660-7293
>>>> Lacey.Maryott at duke.edu
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>>>
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>> Tabby Fenn
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>>
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