[Babase] RE: Male ranks 2008A completed

Susan Alberts alberts at duke.edu
Tue Mar 3 17:14:55 EST 2009


You're welcome, it was nice to get it out of the way. Please do  
confirm with Tabby if we don't hear from her tomorrow what her  
thoughts are about Gyan's birthdate, I think it should probably be  
changed.
Susan

On Mar 3, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Jeanne Altmann wrote:

> Thanks wonderwomen!  Patrick will be working just with Jan-Apr, and he
> didn't do Weaver's group in 2008, so he is probably safe but will  
> watch
> for any updates from Lacey.
>
> jeanne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lacey Maryott [mailto:lacey.maryott at duke.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 4:29 PM
> To: The Baboon Database Project j; Jeanne Altmann
> Subject: Male ranks 2008A completed
>
> Hi all,
>
> We have now done all male ranks for all groups for 2008A. See some
> specific comments and questions below, and give any input you have.
>
> These ranks are now all saved in babase. However, Lacey usually double
> checks before we consider them final, and this has not yet been done.
> She will send out an email when this is done. Probably very little  
> will
> change between now and then; she usually does find some errors but not
> too many. We think this was very clean, so go ahead and use with  
> caution
> but be aware that she might make a couple of corrections; this  
> should be
> done by end of day Monday March 9.
>
> We also  thought it would be helpful to start sending lists to babase
> about ranked and matured dates so that we can look in the archives if
> someone has questions later.
>
> 1. Note to Tabby -- GYAN, new male in Nyayo's immigrated Febg 2008.  
> You
> assigned him an age like that of Bucky, but upon re-reading the demog
> note for him, Lacey and I realized that they said he was the same size
> as Fabian, not the same size as Bucky (they said his coat color was  
> like
> that of Bucky). Please correct the est birthdate, thanks.
>
> 2. We will assign GYAN a Matured-by date of 1Feb08. He does not yet  
> have
> a ranked date, he is a subadult and talking only to subadults.
>
> 3. We have assigned a ranked-by Date to GAB of Sep07 -- recall that he
> was one of Brittany's questions.
>
> 4. Esien, new male in Nya, immigrated March 2008. He is a juvenile and
> has testes NOT E. We did NOT assign him a matured date. Tabby, did you
> checkto confirm that the team put him on their scrotal assessment  
> sheet?
>
> 5. New male THURAM in NYA will have a ranked by date and a matured by
> date of 1 March 2008.
>
> 6. New male HYDRO in NYA will have a ranked by date and a matured by
> date of 1 May 2008.
>
> 7. No young males attained ranked-on dates in Nyayo's, Viola's,  
> Linda's
> or Weaver's in 2008A (but see note below about CAD in Weaver's/Omo's)
>
> 8. In Omo's, DASTON is TENTATIVELY assigned a ranked on date of Jun 1,
> 2008 because he soundly beat Exodus BUT THIS IS PROVISIONAL, AS WE DO
> NOT HAVE DATA FOR LATER MONTHS YET. We don't like to assign ranked  
> dates
> on so little information and no confirmation.
>
> 9. In WEA, GAM immigrated in March,we have assigned him a rankedby and
> matured by date of 1 March 2008.
>
> 10. CADET, natal in WEA, immigrated to OMO in Jun 2008. Data in WEA  
> are
> too thin to tell whether he ranked before leaving, and he did not talk
> to adult males in Omo's in June. So,  WE CANNOT YET ASSIGN A RANKED  
> DATE
> TO CADET.
>
> 11. Having very little data for Weaver's for 2008 makes the ranking
> process go wonderfully quickly. However,it means that for Weaver's in
> particular we really need all year to have any sense of male
> trajectories. USE WEAVER'S MALE RANKS FOR 2008A WITH CAUTION. This is
> not just because we didn't see many interactions, but because the
> interactions we did see have so little context. For instance, ELV went
> over VAP once. VAP is two above ELV,and the rules say we donot give
> credit for this -- too big a jump. We stuck to this rule, but it may
> well mean that in cases like this we failed to give credit to some  
> real
> changes. Nothing to do about this -- we have no basis for changing the
> rules, nor for keeping them the same really.
>
> 12. As is obvious, these ranks -especially for may and june --  
> should be
> taken with caution as we don't have the whole year., This especially
> applied to LInda's, where there was a lot of action in May and June  
> and
> a lot of rank changes, but should be kept in mind for all.
>
> Susan and Lacey
>
>
>
>
> --
> Lacey Maryott
> Alberts Lab
> Department of Biology
> Duke University
> ph: 919-660-7306
> fax: 919-660-7293
> Lacey.Maryott at duke.edu
>
>
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