[Babase] Fwd: quick tooth question

Jeanne Altmann altj at princeton.edu
Fri Jul 16 08:54:14 EDT 2010


I agree; thanks for checking into options and conventions.
jeanne

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From: babase-bounces at eeblistserv.princeton.edu [mailto:babase-bounces at eeblistserv.princeton.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Alberts
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:51 AM
To: The Baboon Database Project
Subject: Re: [Babase] Fwd: quick tooth question

I don't think we should use either one of these. I realize that they  
are standard, but none of us thinks or looks at teeth  enough for this  
to be easy for us. I would prefer to stick with upper right M1,  etc,   
with the designation of D. for deciduous.

Susan
On Jul 15, 2010, at 11:10 AM, Lacey Maryott R oerish wrote:

> I consulted with Jordi regarding toothsites for the darting  
> database. He said 2 systems for assigning toothsites are widely  
> used.  I have included links for both.  I don't have a particular  
> preference, except that the second one (The one recommended by  
> jordi) differentiates more clearly between deciduous and adult.
> So for example, Using system one, the upper right decidous M1 would  
> be toothsite 28, and the upper right permanent M1 would be toothsite  
> 30, whereas the upper right Permanent premolar 1 would be toothsite  
> 28.
>
> http://www.redbankendodontics.com/images/referring-doctors/permanent-dentition.gif 
>    (system 1)
>
> Using system two, the upper right decidous M1 would be toothsite 54,  
> and the upper right permanent M1 would be toothsite 16, whereas the  
> upper right Permanent premolar 1 would be toothsite 14.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_notation  (system 2)
>
> Susan, Jeanne, do you have any preference? Anyone else have any input?
>
> FWIW, jordi mentioned a third system, but that is basically what we  
> are already using for the toothcodes. That is why i haven't  
> elaborated on it here.
>
> Cheers
> Lacey
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jordi Galbany <jordigalbany at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:40 AM
> Subject: Re: quick tooth question
> To: Lacey Maryott Roerish <lkm9 at duke.edu>
>
>
> Hi Lacey!
> I'm doing well! But still looking for a job! I hope you improve your  
> situation, whatever is going on...
>
>
> Regarding teeth positions, "sites" or notation, there are mostly 3  
> methods than can be applied. The first one is the diagram you found  
> (the Universal numbering system)... but I think is not really very  
> intuitive... There is a second numeric system, more logical, where you  
> also assign a number to a tooth, but taking into account if that  
> particular tooth is on the left of right side, and lower or upper  
> jaw... following this diagram (World dental federation system):
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_notation
>
>
> Both systems are numeric, but you have to add letters (Universal  
> system) or more numbers (WDF system) for milk teeth...
>
>
> I don't like any of these systems, although I have to use them  
> sometimes, especially for particular analysis. I prefer to use a  
> more descriptive method, more common in anthropology. As, for  
> example, LLM1 (lower left M1 or first molar), URI2 (upper right I2 o  
> second incisor)... Even LM1 for lower and LM1 for upper... Always, "I"  
> means incisor, "C": canine, "P": premolar and "M": molar. Capital  
> letters is used for adult teeth and for milk teeth you use "i", "c"  
> and "m", but the same system...
>
>
> Humans and baboons have the same number of teeth... so you can use  
> any of these notations for both...
>
>
> I hope it's clear enough!
>
>
> Best,
>
> jordi
>
>
>
>
> El 14/07/2010 17:47, Lacey Maryott Roerish escribió:
>> Jordi,
>>
>>       Hello! how are you?   Doing ok here, things a bit complicated  
>> right now, But I will be ok :).   I have one more quick question  
>> for you.  I am trying to assign 'tooth sites' for each of the teeth  
>> in the baboon's mouth.  I found a diagram online, but can you tell  
>> me if this is the generally accepted labeling of tooth sites?  We  
>> just need SOME numeric system.
>>
>> http://www.redbankendodontics.com/images/referring-doctors/permanent-dentition.gif
>>
>> Thanks so much
>> Lacey
>
>
>
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