[Babase] FPSAMPS Kidcontact and Kidsuckle blanks

Daphne A. Onderdonk babase@www.eco.princeton.edu
Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:43:42 -0400


Hi all,

Trying to catch up on the onslaught of Babase emails from the 
weekend...  As far as this issue is concerned, I think it would make 
more sense for me to look at it since I feel like I have intimate 
knowledge of the Psion data after doing all that old clean-up (lucky 
me!).  And I know from some of the querying we've done on the point 
samples that there are definitely juveniles that ended up in FPsamps, 
and adult females that ended up in JPsamps.   Cleaning up the point 
samples is on my list of things to do (the female/juv issue, and some 
mistakes that got through before Robert put more checks in on the 
collection end), but I haven't gotten there yet.  Is that something that 
needs to happen before the conversion?  When we/I get to it, we will 
need to make some decisions about what to do with the data that's in the 
wrong place (the problem being that it's not just in the wrong place, 
but that it is collected slightly differently for females vs. juveniles).

Will get back to you all after looking at Karl's examples.
Daphne

Susan Alberts wrote:

> Steph,
>
> The babase documentation will help you navigate this. It is in the 
> newest version that Karl and Jeanne did, which is the one printed out 
> and in the black notebook in the lab. Thanks for looking at this.
>
> Susan
>
>> On 2004.10.11 16:21 Stephanie Combes wrote:
>>
>>> it seems like some non-adult female samples are mixed in there. Karl 
>>> - can you tell me where in the point sample stuff they are hiding?  
>>> I will try to look for them, but haven't ever even opened the point 
>>> stuff that's actually in babase! (makes me feel a bit outdated, I 
>>> must say).   If you can give me some detail as to where these are or 
>>> who the point samples are of, I will try to figure it out.
>>
>>
>> All I know is that the number in the leftmost column is the fpsamps.fpid
>> and the next column is the samples.sid.
>>
>>> -s
>>>
>>> --On Saturday, October 09, 2004 5:16 PM +0300 Susan Alberts 
>>> <alberts@duke.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To clarify, these are adult female point samples where these two 
>>>> fields
>>>> are missing?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure I'm on the ball enough to answer this but maybe (1) 
>>>> they are
>>>> actually juv point samples or samples on females that don't have kids
>>>> (but they are single points in a larger sample where the other 
>>>> points are
>>>> complete?), or (2) the observers forgot to enter these two columns 
>>>> (but i
>>>> don't think this is possible in Robert's program) or (3) they
>>>> accidentally edited it out after collecting it.
>>>>
>>>> Probably we need to look at the complete sample to figure out what is
>>>> going on. Perhaps Steph can take a look at this this week. What 
>>>> info does
>>>> she need from you to do this, Karl?
>>>>
>>>> Susan
>>>>
>>>>> What does it mean when Kidcontact and Kidsuckle are
>>>>> blank?  There are 8 rows like this.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1704    270    W    1             12:43      1007901796
>>>>> 16312    2417    W    1             13:41      1010756487
>>>>> 17068    2533    W                 18:04      1011204289
>>>>> 17928    2659    H                 13:53      1011880415
>>>>> 36168    5305    R    1             09:04      950605486
>>>>> 108649    16063    H                 10:04      1031997879
>>>>> 109423    16239    H                 10:05      1034244309.999
>>>>> 130070    20698    W    1             11:37      1064489874.999
>>>>>
>>>>> Karl <kop@meme.com>
>>>>> Free Software:  "You don't pay back, you pay forward."
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