[Babase] Determining adult males - question for Susan

Susan Alberts alberts at duke.edu
Wed Apr 12 14:56:07 EDT 2006


Hi Catherine,

All males that have matgrp 9 and did not immigrate as juveniles or  
subadults should have a ranked by date AND a matured by date that is  
equal to their immigration date (their first appearance in a study  
group). This is NOT reflected in the current list of by dates but  
Leah will work to fill those immigration dates in as by dates for  
those males in question. MOR and ZIN fall into this category. ALL  
males that have matgrp 9 EITHER matured and/or were ranked in study  
groups (these few males already have ON or BY dates indicated in the  
current spreadsheet) OR they have matured by and ranked by dates that  
are equal to their immigration dates.

Hope this helps, sorry for the mistake.

Susan


On Apr 11, 2006, at 2:46 PM, Catherine Markham wrote:

> Hi Susan,
>
> Laurence and I have just been looking more carefully at the number  
> of adult males in each study group and I wanted to double-check  
> something with you.  In particular, Laurence drew my attention to  
> Linda's group in the time period of Feb 2001 - Mar 2002.  My  
> queries of Babase with the combined list of rank dates from Leah's  
> file and Biograph ended up with no adult males in Linda's group for  
> that entire time period.
>
> This seemed a bit suspect so we looked into things more carefully.   
> I went back and looked in detail at which males were in Linda's in  
> that time period, what their ages were, and double checked whether  
> or not they had rank dates.  I didn't check every individual, but  
> here are 2 cases I'm not sure how to interpret... both MOR and ZIN  
> do not have a ranked date in either file, are over ~14 years old,  
> and have consortships in Babase.  I'm not sure that any one of  
> those factors uniquely suggests they had reached adulthood, but the  
> combination seems  to imply something may be off - though whether  
> that's my understanding or the data itself isn't clear to me.
>
> Anyway, we were hoping you could provide some insight again.  The  
> objective of the query for Laurence was to determine the total  
> number of adult males in each study group from 1 Dec 1999 through  
> 31 Dec 2004.
>
> Thanks so much,
> Catherine
>
>
>
> Susan Alberts wrote:
>
>> Catherine,
>> You are correct that any male that isn't listed in the spreadsheet  
>> or  on the foxpro file has not reached adult by end 2004.
>> Susan
>> On Apr 6, 2006, at 2:32 PM, Catherine Markham wrote:
>>> Hi Susan,
>>>
>>> I'm working on a query for Laurence to get at the total number  
>>> of  adult males in each study for each month from December 1999  
>>> through  December 2004.  I spoke with Leah earlier and understand  
>>> that there  currently are 2 files with ranked dates - "actual"  
>>> ranked dates are  entered in the FoxPro Biograph and the ranked  
>>> by dates are, at the  moment, in a separate spreadsheet.  Both of  
>>> these appear to go  through the end of 2004, which is great.
>>>
>>> I just wanted to confirm that the combination of these two  
>>> datasets  would give me the complete info on when males reached  
>>> adulthood.   In other words, is it safe to assume that a male who  
>>> isn't on  either list had not reached adulthood by the end of 2004?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Catherine
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> -- 
> Catherine Markham
> Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
> Princeton University
>
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Susan Alberts, Dept. Biology, Duke University, Durham NC 27708. Phone  
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