[Babase] REPSTATS says cycling but there are no CYCSTATS

Catherine Markham amarkham at princeton.edu
Sat Jul 1 19:14:30 EDT 2006


Hi Karl,

Trying to pick-up the train of thought on this review of the CYCSTATS 
documentation wasn't so easy.  I can't remember exactly what started us 
on the discussion below, but I think I follow your logic and agree with 
both (1) what the documentation is describing, and (2) how the database 
itself is handling these scenarios.

Just wanted to let you know that (this was one of the topics I promised 
to get back to you on after our call on Friday).

Thanks,
Catherine


Karl O. Pinc wrote:

> 
> On 06/22/2006 02:41:39 PM, Catherine Markham wrote:
> 
>> Karl,
>>
>> I'm not sure I'm following the second qualifying part of the  
>> statement.  Is this saying the same thing:
>>
>> ... This can only occur for matured females in cases when observation  
>> ceases before a sexual cycle transition event is observed.
> 
> 
> It's elaborating.  In theory, you can have a female with 2 gaps
> at any point in their life, and no CYCPOINTS in period of
> observation between the 2 gaps.  But, because there are two
> gaps, the earlier gap has an end-of-gap in CYCGAPS.  That
> means there's a cycle state in the end-of-gap that starts
> out the period of observation.   So there's no need for
> CYCPOINTS, there is a cycle state to use in CYCSTATS.
> 
> So, the only time you're under observation but don't have
> a end-of-gap is before all your gaps.  If you've a ON
> sexual maturity date then you must have a Tdate to go with
> it so you've got a CYCPOINTS row to give state to CYCSTATS.
> But if you've a BY sexual maturity date there does not need
> to be any CYCPOINTS.  Then, CYCSTATS goes away because there's
> no indication of what to do.
> 
> So, I don't know how much of this to explain in the docs, or
> how to do it clearly.  Feel like rewriting this for the
> CAUTION text?  :)
> 
>>
>> If so, I'd leave the final sentence to say "warning" instead of  
>> "error".  If I'm following the logic correctly, I don't think this is  
>> necessarily a data error but rather just a funky combination of  
>> monitoring gaps and cycle data.
> 
> 
> I think you're right about this and a warning is the way to go.
> 
>>
>> As for this happening just with JUH at the moment, don't we stand a  
>> chance of getting more similar cases when we add additional estimated  
>> maturity dates for females?
> 
> 
> Yes.  It's always easy to avoid by messing around with the gaps
> of the individual females.  That might be the way to keep
> REPSTATS and CYCSTATS "in sync" on this.
> 
> Karl <kop at meme.com>
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