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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What does this gain us?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>jeanne<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> babase-bounces@eeblistserv.princeton.edu
[mailto:babase-bounces@eeblistserv.princeton.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lacey
Maryott Roerish<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 16, 2010 10:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Baboon Database Project<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Babase] Fwd: quick tooth question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>To be clear, this numbering doesn't replace that system.
We will have toothcodes such as upper right M1 (RUM1). The toothsites is
a different column in which we identify the actual site in the mouth where the
tooth is found.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Jeanne Altmann <<a
href="mailto:altj@princeton.edu">altj@princeton.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I agree; thanks for checking
into options and conventions.<br>
jeanne<br>
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On Behalf Of Susan Alberts<br>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:51 AM<br>
To: The Baboon Database Project<br>
Subject: Re: [Babase] Fwd: quick tooth question<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I don't think we should use either one of these. I realize
that they<br>
are standard, but none of us thinks or looks at teeth enough for this<br>
to be easy for us. I would prefer to stick with upper right M1, etc,<br>
with the designation of D. for deciduous.<br>
<br>
Susan<br>
On Jul 15, 2010, at 11:10 AM, Lacey Maryott R oerish wrote:<br>
<br>
> I consulted with Jordi regarding toothsites for the darting<br>
> database. He said 2 systems for assigning toothsites are widely<br>
> used. I have included links for both. I don't have a
particular<br>
> preference, except that the second one (The one recommended by<br>
> jordi) differentiates more clearly between deciduous and adult.<br>
> So for example, Using system one, the upper right decidous M1 would<br>
> be toothsite 28, and the upper right permanent M1 would be toothsite<br>
> 30, whereas the upper right Permanent premolar 1 would be toothsite<br>
> 28.<br>
><br>
> <a
href="http://www.redbankendodontics.com/images/referring-doctors/permanent-dentition.gif"
target="_blank">http://www.redbankendodontics.com/images/referring-doctors/permanent-dentition.gif</a><br>
> (system 1)<br>
><br>
> Using system two, the upper right decidous M1 would be toothsite 54,<br>
> and the upper right permanent M1 would be toothsite 16, whereas the<br>
> upper right Permanent premolar 1 would be toothsite 14.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_notation" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_notation</a>
(system 2)<br>
><br>
> Susan, Jeanne, do you have any preference? Anyone else have any input?<br>
><br>
> FWIW, jordi mentioned a third system, but that is basically what we<br>
> are already using for the toothcodes. That is why i haven't<br>
> elaborated on it here.<br>
><br>
> Cheers<br>
> Lacey<br>
><br>
><br>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
> From: Jordi Galbany <<a href="mailto:jordigalbany@gmail.com">jordigalbany@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Date: Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:40 AM<br>
> Subject: Re: quick tooth question<br>
> To: Lacey Maryott Roerish <<a href="mailto:lkm9@duke.edu">lkm9@duke.edu</a>><br>
><br>
><br>
> Hi Lacey!<br>
> I'm doing well! But still looking for a job! I hope you improve your<br>
> situation, whatever is going on...<br>
><br>
><br>
> Regarding teeth positions, "sites" or notation, there are mostly
3<br>
> methods than can be applied. The first one is the diagram you found<br>
> (the Universal numbering system)... but I think is not really very<br>
> intuitive... There is a second numeric system, more logical, where you<br>
> also assign a number to a tooth, but taking into account if that<br>
> particular tooth is on the left of right side, and lower or upper<br>
> jaw... following this diagram (World dental federation system):<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_notation" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_notation</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> Both systems are numeric, but you have to add letters (Universal<br>
> system) or more numbers (WDF system) for milk teeth...<br>
><br>
><br>
> I don't like any of these systems, although I have to use them<br>
> sometimes, especially for particular analysis. I prefer to use a<br>
> more descriptive method, more common in anthropology. As, for<br>
> example, LLM1 (lower left M1 or first molar), URI2 (upper right I2 o<br>
> second incisor)... Even LM1 for lower and LM1 for upper... Always,
"I"<br>
> means incisor, "C": canine, "P": premolar and
"M": molar. Capital<br>
> letters is used for adult teeth and for milk teeth you use "i",
"c"<br>
> and "m", but the same system...<br>
><br>
><br>
> Humans and baboons have the same number of teeth... so you can use<br>
> any of these notations for both...<br>
><br>
><br>
> I hope it's clear enough!<br>
><br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> jordi<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> El 14/07/2010 17:47, Lacey Maryott Roerish escribió:<br>
>> Jordi,<br>
>><br>
>> Hello! how are you? Doing ok here, things
a bit complicated<br>
>> right now, But I will be ok :). I have one more quick question<br>
>> for you. I am trying to assign 'tooth sites' for each of the
teeth<br>
>> in the baboon's mouth. I found a diagram online, but can you
tell<br>
>> me if this is the generally accepted labeling of tooth sites? We<br>
>> just need SOME numeric system.<br>
>><br>
>> <a
href="http://www.redbankendodontics.com/images/referring-doctors/permanent-dentition.gif"
target="_blank">http://www.redbankendodontics.com/images/referring-doctors/permanent-dentition.gif</a><br>
>><br>
>> Thanks so much<br>
>> Lacey<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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> Lacey K. Maryott Roerish<br>
> Alberts Lab<br>
> Department of Biology<br>
> Duke University<br>
> ph: 919-660-7306<br>
> fax: 919-660-7293<br>
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