[Babase] RE: Male ranks 2008A completed

Jeanne Altmann altj at princeton.edu
Tue Mar 3 17:11:11 EST 2009


Thanks wonderwomen!  Patrick will be working just with Jan-Apr, and he
didn't do Weaver's group in 2008, so he is probably safe but will watch
for any updates from Lacey.

jeanne 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lacey Maryott [mailto:lacey.maryott at duke.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 4:29 PM
To: The Baboon Database Project j; Jeanne Altmann
Subject: Male ranks 2008A completed

Hi all,

We have now done all male ranks for all groups for 2008A. See some
specific comments and questions below, and give any input you have.

These ranks are now all saved in babase. However, Lacey usually double
checks before we consider them final, and this has not yet been done. 
She will send out an email when this is done. Probably very little will
change between now and then; she usually does find some errors but not
too many. We think this was very clean, so go ahead and use with caution
but be aware that she might make a couple of corrections; this should be
done by end of day Monday March 9.

We also  thought it would be helpful to start sending lists to babase
about ranked and matured dates so that we can look in the archives if
someone has questions later.

1. Note to Tabby -- GYAN, new male in Nyayo's immigrated Febg 2008. You
assigned him an age like that of Bucky, but upon re-reading the demog
note for him, Lacey and I realized that they said he was the same size
as Fabian, not the same size as Bucky (they said his coat color was like
that of Bucky). Please correct the est birthdate, thanks.

2. We will assign GYAN a Matured-by date of 1Feb08. He does not yet have
a ranked date, he is a subadult and talking only to subadults.

3. We have assigned a ranked-by Date to GAB of Sep07 -- recall that he
was one of Brittany's questions.

4. Esien, new male in Nya, immigrated March 2008. He is a juvenile and
has testes NOT E. We did NOT assign him a matured date. Tabby, did you
checkto confirm that the team put him on their scrotal assessment sheet?

5. New male THURAM in NYA will have a ranked by date and a matured by
date of 1 March 2008.

6. New male HYDRO in NYA will have a ranked by date and a matured by
date of 1 May 2008.

7. No young males attained ranked-on dates in Nyayo's, Viola's, Linda's
or Weaver's in 2008A (but see note below about CAD in Weaver's/Omo's)

8. In Omo's, DASTON is TENTATIVELY assigned a ranked on date of Jun 1,
2008 because he soundly beat Exodus BUT THIS IS PROVISIONAL, AS WE DO
NOT HAVE DATA FOR LATER MONTHS YET. We don't like to assign ranked dates
on so little information and no confirmation.

9. In WEA, GAM immigrated in March,we have assigned him a rankedby and
matured by date of 1 March 2008.

10. CADET, natal in WEA, immigrated to OMO in Jun 2008. Data in WEA are
too thin to tell whether he ranked before leaving, and he did not talk
to adult males in Omo's in June. So,  WE CANNOT YET ASSIGN A RANKED DATE
TO CADET.

11. Having very little data for Weaver's for 2008 makes the ranking
process go wonderfully quickly. However,it means that for Weaver's in
particular we really need all year to have any sense of male
trajectories. USE WEAVER'S MALE RANKS FOR 2008A WITH CAUTION. This is
not just because we didn't see many interactions, but because the
interactions we did see have so little context. For instance, ELV went
over VAP once. VAP is two above ELV,and the rules say we donot give
credit for this -- too big a jump. We stuck to this rule, but it may
well mean that in cases like this we failed to give credit to some real
changes. Nothing to do about this -- we have no basis for changing the
rules, nor for keeping them the same really.

12. As is obvious, these ranks -especially for may and june -- should be
taken with caution as we don't have the whole year., This especially
applied to LInda's, where there was a lot of action in May and June and
a lot of rank changes, but should be kept in mind for all.

Susan and Lacey




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Lacey Maryott
Alberts Lab
Department of Biology
Duke University
ph: 919-660-7306
fax: 919-660-7293
Lacey.Maryott at duke.edu 




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