Animals who would be included in her census would be the only animals affected by this anyway as Courtney won't know them to collect data on them. So as long as the statdates are updated for those animals who she would be collecting data on, everyone would be covered. <br>
<br>This is likely to only occur on this update, and potentially 10B as I think Courtney will be back in kenya then. So it wouldn't be a recurring problem.<br><br>It would also mean just holding back one or two lines of data which can very easily get lost, unlike cycles, which are bigger events, which can't and won't be lost.<br>
<br>It it looks like something that you just won't have time to do by Tues, does it make more sense for me to enter these few demog notes?<br><br>Thanks<br>Lacey<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Niki Learn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nlearn@princeton.edu">nlearn@princeton.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hmm… When we have any kind of cycling (example a
cycle has begun in June or December but has not been completed by the last
census day and so is left dangling) or reproductive data (example a birth
estimated to be at the end of June but after the last census date) that occurs
at the end of an update period we hold it over for the next update.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I can see why we might not want to do that for agonisms in
December (although you guys do male agonisms for the first half of the year
separately?) since I guess we’d want them included in the 09b update in
order to count them when doing the ranks. Does it matter for June?
Will you do the 09a male agonisms before the 09b update?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I <i>can</i> add a census column for 6/29 BUT the animals that
Courtney did not census (mostly juveniles) would still not have a change in statdate
since they would still get no census record for that day. I guess for
male ranks only the adult male interactions matter though so it would be okay
if only the adults were marked through the 29th?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Niki</span></p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:babase-bounces@eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU" target="_blank">babase-bounces@eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lacey
Roerish<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 30, 2009 12:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Baboon Database Project<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Babase] Statdate problem for End June 2009</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi All!<br>
<br>
I am working on the uploads of data and have found june to
be a bit tricky. Since Courtney is often in the field collecting data on
'last days' when the team isn't doing a complete census, the 'censored'
statdate of individuals in Weaver's group is 6-27, however courtney has (at
least) agonism data for animals on 6/29. <br>
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Is the best solution here to add demog notes? It looks like Courtney did a
partial census that day. I know we set up a rule that we wouldn't enter
her partial censuses unless a demographic change occured.. but maybe we should
add to this these special june and december cases where we are likely to have
interaction data corresponding with her partial census. If we don't use
that partial census, the animal's statdate is before its final interactions for
the 6 month update period.<br>
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Let me know if I need to do anything on my end to make this happen so I can get
these data in.<br>
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Thanks<br>
Lacey<br clear="all">
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