[Babase] Fwd: quick tooth question
Karl O. Pinc
kop at meme.com
Fri Jul 16 12:20:11 EDT 2010
On 07/16/2010 09:01:25 AM, Jeanne Altmann wrote:
> What does this gain us?
It provides a mapping of sorts between deciduous
and adult teeth. The toothcodes distinguish between
deciduous and adult where toothsites do not. This
way you can choose either to ignore deciduous-ness
or not.
The cost to do this is the cost of having this discussion.
Once the support tables are populated with rows
we can forget about it until a need
arises to query one way or the other.
>
> jeanne
>
>
>
> From: babase-bounces at eeblistserv.princeton.edu
> [mailto:babase-bounces at eeblistserv.princeton.edu] On Behalf Of Lacey
> Maryott Roerish
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:00 AM
> To: The Baboon Database Project
> Subject: Re: [Babase] Fwd: quick tooth question
>
>
>
> To be clear, this numbering doesn't replace that system. We will
> have
> toothcodes such as upper right M1 (RUM1). The toothsites is a
> different column in which we identify the actual site in the mouth
> where the tooth is found.
>
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> L
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> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Jeanne Altmann <altj at princeton.edu>
> wrote:
>
> I agree; thanks for checking into options and conventions.
> jeanne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: babase-bounces at eeblistserv.princeton.edu
> [mailto:babase-bounces at eeblistserv.princeton.edu] On Behalf Of Susan
> Alberts
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:51 AM
> To: The Baboon Database Project
> Subject: Re: [Babase] Fwd: quick tooth question
>
> I don't think we should use either one of these. I realize that they
> are standard, but none of us thinks or looks at teeth enough for
> this
> to be easy for us. I would prefer to stick with upper right M1, etc,
> with the designation of D. for deciduous.
>
> Susan
> On Jul 15, 2010, at 11:10 AM, Lacey Maryott R oerish wrote:
>
> > I consulted with Jordi regarding toothsites for the darting
> > database. He said 2 systems for assigning toothsites are widely
> > used. I have included links for both. I don't have a particular
> > preference, except that the second one (The one recommended by
> > jordi) differentiates more clearly between deciduous and adult.
> > So for example, Using system one, the upper right decidous M1 would
> > be toothsite 28, and the upper right permanent M1 would be
> toothsite
> > 30, whereas the upper right Permanent premolar 1 would be toothsite
> > 28.
> >
> > http://www.redbankendodontics.com/images/referring-doctors/
> permanent-dentition.gif
> > (system 1)
> >
> > Using system two, the upper right decidous M1 would be toothsite
> 54,
> > and the upper right permanent M1 would be toothsite 16, whereas the
> > upper right Permanent premolar 1 would be toothsite 14.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_notation (system 2)
> >
> > Susan, Jeanne, do you have any preference? Anyone else have any
> input?
> >
> > FWIW, jordi mentioned a third system, but that is basically what we
> > are already using for the toothcodes. That is why i haven't
> > elaborated on it here.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Lacey
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Jordi Galbany <jordigalbany at gmail.com>
> > Date: Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: quick tooth question
> > To: Lacey Maryott Roerish <lkm9 at duke.edu>
> >
> >
> > Hi Lacey!
> > I'm doing well! But still looking for a job! I hope you improve
> your
> > situation, whatever is going on...
> >
> >
> > Regarding teeth positions, "sites" or notation, there are mostly 3
> > methods than can be applied. The first one is the diagram you found
> > (the Universal numbering system)... but I think is not really very
> > intuitive... There is a second numeric system, more logical, where
> you
> > also assign a number to a tooth, but taking into account if that
> > particular tooth is on the left of right side, and lower or upper
> > jaw... following this diagram (World dental federation system):
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_notation
> >
> >
> > Both systems are numeric, but you have to add letters (Universal
> > system) or more numbers (WDF system) for milk teeth...
> >
> >
> > I don't like any of these systems, although I have to use them
> > sometimes, especially for particular analysis. I prefer to use a
> > more descriptive method, more common in anthropology. As, for
> > example, LLM1 (lower left M1 or first molar), URI2 (upper right I2
> o
> > second incisor)... Even LM1 for lower and LM1 for upper... Always,
> "I"
> > means incisor, "C": canine, "P": premolar and "M": molar. Capital
> > letters is used for adult teeth and for milk teeth you use "i", "c"
> > and "m", but the same system...
> >
> >
> > Humans and baboons have the same number of teeth... so you can use
> > any of these notations for both...
> >
> >
> > I hope it's clear enough!
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > jordi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > El 14/07/2010 17:47, Lacey Maryott Roerish escribió:
> >> Jordi,
> >>
> >> Hello! how are you? Doing ok here, things a bit
> complicated
> >> right now, But I will be ok :). I have one more quick question
> >> for you. I am trying to assign 'tooth sites' for each of the
> teeth
> >> in the baboon's mouth. I found a diagram online, but can you tell
> >> me if this is the generally accepted labeling of tooth sites? We
> >> just need SOME numeric system.
> >>
> >> http://www.redbankendodontics.com/images/referring-doctors/
> permanent-dentition.gif
> >>
> >> Thanks so much
> >> Lacey
> >
> >
> >
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> > Lacey K. Maryott Roerish
> > Alberts Lab
> > Department of Biology
> > Duke University
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> > fax: 919-660-7293
> > Lacey.Maryott at duke.edu
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