[Babase] Rankdate Changes in Babase

Lacey Maryott Roerish lroerish4 at gmail.com
Mon Mar 22 10:59:23 EDT 2010


I did some checking this morning and there don't seem to be glaring errors
between maturedates and rankdates tables.  No maturedates occur after
rankdates(which was to be expected given babase contraints, but I just
wanted to check). All of the matdates falling in the middle of a month are
equal to their rankdates counterpart, or occur in different years, which
would would expect to see with the 'On' ranked dates.

I am going to go ahead and roll all maturedates back to the first, and then
all rankdates.  From there we can pick at larger errors like rankdates and
ranktypes not matching up. This at least standardizes this part of it!

Cheers
Lacey

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Susan Alberts <alberts at duke.edu> wrote:

> Most maturedates that don't fall on the first of the month are 'by' dates
> but a number are 'on' dates from earlier decades. These used to be done with
> dates other than the first of the month -- there is nothing wrong with them,
> but they can be changed.
>
> For rankdates, indeed most "on" dates are first of the month, but a few are
> not. There were some instances where we actually saw the day on which rank
> was attained, and entered those dates. All are from earlier decades and all
> can be changed.
>
> Susan
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Jeanne Altmann wrote:
>
>  Ah, yes. I assume all of these are ‘by’ dates.  If not. Something more is
>> wrong. Thanks for the update on progress.
>> jeanne
>>
>> From: babase-bounces at eeblistserv.princeton.edu [mailto:
>> babase-bounces at eeblistserv.princeton.edu] On Behalf Of Lacey Maryott
>> Roerish
>> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 4:15 PM
>> To: The Baboon Database Project
>> Subject: Re: [Babase] Rankdate Changes in Babase
>>
>> Susan, Jeanne, Niki and Karl
>>
>>    I am running into some problems with changing the rankdates to the
>> first of the month.  There is a rule that the matured date has to be less
>> than or equal to rank date (With good reason). However, all of the
>> maturedates that also occur mid-month are throwing an error. So, it looks as
>> though I will have to roll those back as well. Will pick at this and try to
>> fix all of the maturedates before rolling the rankdates back.
>>
>>    I spoke with Karl about this and there is a work-around that could fix
>> the majority while skipping the ones that violate this rule, but it kind of
>> seems like if I am going to be elbow deep in the data anyway, I should just
>> fix the whole problem at once.   Does this fit with how princeton feels
>> about the timeline of this project?  I expect I can have it all fixed my
>> mid-morning monday, I just want to do some cross-checking of maturedates and
>> rankdates and make sure there aren't any glaring errors before i change a
>> whole bunch of data in 2 tables.
>>
>> Let me know
>>
>> Lacey
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Jeanne Altmann <altj at princeton.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: babase-bounces at eeblistserv.princeton.edu
>> [mailto:babase-bounces at eeblistserv.princeton.edu] On Behalf Of Karl O.
>> Pinc
>> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 3:15 PM
>> To: The Baboon Database Project
>> Subject: Re: [Babase] Rankdate Changes in Babase
>>
>> On 03/19/2010 01:48:28 PM, Lacey Maryott Roerish wrote:
>> > Susan, (et al)
>> >
>> >       Jeanne, Karl, Niki and I just finished discussing how to handle
>> > some
>> > recent issues discovered in babase related to Rankdates.  It can be
>> > difficult to extract number of males on a given date if some males
>> > rankdates
>> > occur in the middle of the month.  For this reason,  I will be
>> > changing all
>> > rankdates (Both BY and ON) to the beginning on the month using a
>> > function
>> > Karl had previously developed.  This will simply make querying
>> > easier,
>> > and
>> > will also sync up rankdates data with actual rank data, which are all
>> > recorded on the 1st of the month.
>>
>> We will also then put a rule in requiring that rankdates.rnkdate be
>> on the first of the month.  (Once Lacey let's me know she's done
>> changing the data.)
>>
>> The problem has been that nobody ever uses the rnkdate() function,
>> which sets a date to the first of the month, when comparing
>> ranks.rnkdate with rankdates.ranked.  They'll still have to use this
>> function when doing arbitrary date comparisons against either
>> ranks.rnkdate or, now, rankdates.ranked so we're not really
>> making the problem go away, but are pushing it farther to the
>> fringes.  In any case the ranks.rnkdate/rankdate.ranked problem
>> has been discussed every few years so it's clear there's a
>> problem there that this change will make go away.
>>
>>
>> Karl <kop at meme.com>
>> Free Software:  "You don't pay back, you pay forward."
>>                -- Robert A. Heinlein
>>
>> Agreed; it will remain a potentially valuable function that we need to
>> remember the situations you note.  However, with the proposed change, we
>> will have the ranked-by date regularized, which is good, and we will
>> make moot the most common use for the function. Thanks Karl for the
>> patient reminder about the function and all for brainstorming on the
>> various issues.
>>
>> jeanne
>>
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