[Babase] ranks data -- conference needed?
Susan Alberts
babase@www.eco.princeton.edu
Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:33:56 -0500
Thanks Daphne, this is very helpful and makes sense of what little I
knew as well.
Regarding DHO, on looking at Leah's note again I am not sure where
the problem came from but it is NOT with ranks per se (Leah, please
confirm). DHO has rankgrp 1.10, rnkdate = 01/08/97, birthdate=
18/11/2003. I don't know if this is a holdover of the name change or
not. Sorry about the confusion.
I am sort of feeling that it wold be helfpul to have a conference
call about this, between me Leah Jeanne and Catherine. I need a bit
of help before seeing the way clear to going ahead. After Leah gets
back, let's talk about it, OK with everyone?
Susan
>Hi all,
>
>I thought I'd chime in here since I can maybe shed some light on
>some of these issues with male ranks. I'll respond to Susan's
>second email separately.
>
>
>> Over the past 18 months or so I have been sending data to Daphne
>> that
>> is meant to be entered in the ranks file of babase (it is data on
>> male ranks). This is combination of actual male rankings (e.g. for
>> 2001 and 2002) and corrections of existing ranks. There are a
>> number
>> of these files, which Daphne (mostly) kept good track of but never
>> entered, presumably because she did not have time.
>
>
>Yes, the main reason the corrections and new ranks didn't get
>entered was that I didn't have time - it was on my list of things to
>do before I left, and unfortunately it was one of the things I just
>didn't get to. I tried to organize it all as best I could for
>Catherine.
>
>Also, I never really felt great about our tentative solution to the
>problem of how to get the new ranks into the Ranks table. We talked
>about doing the new adult male ranks manually, since there is
>currently no way to get them in using Ranker (it will of course be
>possible when the new male maturation tables are in there and the
>"ranked by" dates are entered). But using what ranktype? Susan had
>suggested using ALL, even though it would just be for adult males.
>Using ranktype ADM (adult males) could be weird, since eventually we
>will be generating that ranktype in a different way (using Ranker).
>Neither seemed great to me, but I haven't thought of a better
>solution. It sounds like you're still planning to go ahead with the
>manual entry (using ranktype ALL?).
>
>That makes me think, though, that if you pushed to get the "ranked
>by" dates into the new table (if the table exists yet), you could do
>the adult male ranks properly using Ranker, with ranktype ADM. Just
>a thought - I know you want them in there soon.
>
>Also, I did start to address at some point some of the corrections
>that Susan and Karen sent me, and I encountered some problems with
>them. I can't remember exactly what they were at this point, but I
>think it had to do with individuals not being in the corrections
>list that were actually in the group at the time, or something like
>that. It was at a time when Susan wasn't around to ask, and I think
>it got put back on the back burner. Just something for Leah to be
>aware of as she's dealing with the corrections.
>
>OK, more soon.
>Daphne
>
>
>
>
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