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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Right, well, that’s a totally random piece of data –
one consort on a noncensus day when no other data was collected…
Unless we wanted to get really freaky and enter the first census day for July
now (which sounds like trouble), I think you’re just going to have to
save that one for 09b. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>29 June for Weaver’s is in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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babase-bounces@eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU
[mailto:babase-bounces@eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lacey
Roerish<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 30, 2009 1:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Baboon Database Project<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Babase] Statdate problem for End June 2009<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>There is consort data for June
30, which is why I am getting an error in Linda's.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
Lacey<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Niki Learn <<a
href="mailto:nlearn@princeton.edu">nlearn@princeton.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Linda’s should be fine. The
last incomplete census was June 27 and the last team census was June
29…. I don’t see any agonism data for after that date.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Getting ready to upload Weaver’s
now.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:babase-bounces@eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU" target="_blank">babase-bounces@eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:babase-bounces@eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU"
target="_blank">babase-bounces@eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lacey
Roerish<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 30, 2009 1:13 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<b>To:</b> The Baboon Database Project<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Babase] Statdate problem for End June 2009<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>It
looks like Weaver's and Linda's. Everyone elses data went in fine! :-D<br>
<br>
You probably should log in as admin when trying to create tables in
pending. As for the 'types' of data, You might look on the ppa
website <a
href="http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.1/interactive/bookindex.html"
target="_blank">http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.1/interactive/bookindex.html</a>
I only use a couple of different types because I don't know what the rest of
them mean.<br>
I mostly use character, char var, numeric, date, time without timezone as they
are the only ones I understand :)<br>
<br>
Thanks again<br>
Lacey<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On
Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Niki Learn <<a
href="mailto:nlearn@princeton.edu" target="_blank">nlearn@princeton.edu</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>No, it won’t take me long at
all. I can do it after lunch. Is Weaver’s the only group
affected?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I got stuck trying to create wounds
tables in pending anyway. Do I need to log in as administrator to make
those or something? Getting weird errors. Also, is there a list
somewhere of what all these options in the type column are??? I
couldn’t find one and many are not self explanatory.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:babase-bounces@eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU" target="_blank">babase-bounces@eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:babase-bounces@eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU"
target="_blank">babase-bounces@eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lacey
Roerish<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 30, 2009 12:56 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<b>To:</b> The Baboon Database Project</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Re:
[Babase] Statdate problem for End June 2009</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Animals
who would be included in her census would be the only animals affected by this
anyway as Courtney won't know them to collect data on them. So as long as the
statdates are updated for those animals who she would be collecting data on,
everyone would be covered. <br>
<br>
This is likely to only occur on this update, and potentially 10B as I think
Courtney will be back in kenya then. So it wouldn't be a recurring
problem.<br>
<br>
It would also mean just holding back one or two lines of data which can very
easily get lost, unlike cycles, which are bigger events, which can't and won't
be lost.<br>
<br>
It it looks like something that you just won't have time to do by Tues, does it
make more sense for me to enter these few demog notes?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
Lacey<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On
Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Niki Learn <<a
href="mailto:nlearn@princeton.edu" target="_blank">nlearn@princeton.edu</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hmm… When we have any kind
of cycling (example a cycle has begun in June or December but has not been
completed by the last census day and so is left dangling) or reproductive data
(example a birth estimated to be at the end of June but after the last census
date) that occurs at the end of an update period we hold it over for the next
update.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I can see why we might not want to do
that for agonisms in December (although you guys do male agonisms for the first
half of the year separately?) since I guess we’d want them included in
the 09b update in order to count them when doing the ranks. Does it
matter for June? Will you do the 09a male agonisms before the 09b update?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I <i>can</i> add a census column for 6/29
BUT the animals that Courtney did not census (mostly juveniles) would still not
have a change in statdate since they would still get no census record for that
day. I guess for male ranks only the adult male interactions matter
though so it would be okay if only the adults were marked through the 29th?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Niki</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:babase-bounces@eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU" target="_blank">babase-bounces@eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:babase-bounces@eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU"
target="_blank">babase-bounces@eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lacey
Roerish<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 30, 2009 12:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Baboon Database Project<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Babase] Statdate problem for End June 2009</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi
All!<br>
<br>
I am working on the uploads of data and have found june to
be a bit tricky. Since Courtney is often in the field collecting data on
'last days' when the team isn't doing a complete census, the 'censored'
statdate of individuals in Weaver's group is 6-27, however courtney has (at least)
agonism data for animals on 6/29. <br>
<br>
Is the best solution here to add demog notes? It looks like Courtney did a
partial census that day. I know we set up a rule that we wouldn't enter
her partial censuses unless a demographic change occured.. but maybe we should
add to this these special june and december cases where we are likely to have
interaction data corresponding with her partial census. If we don't use
that partial census, the animal's statdate is before its final interactions for
the 6 month update period.<br>
<br>
Let me know if I need to do anything on my end to make this happen so I can get
these data in.<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
Lacey<br clear=all>
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Alberts Lab<br>
Department of Biology<br>
Duke University<br>
ph: 919-660-7306<br>
fax: 919-660-7293<br>
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