[Babase] Re: A babase mailing list for Susan Alberts and Jeanne Altmann

Axel Haenssen babase@www.eco.princeton.edu
Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:33:00 -0500


On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 16:20, Jeanne Altmann wrote:
> Susan, Karl, & Axel,
> 
> Will we know whenever someone has subscribed?
> 
Go to www.eco.princeton.edu
click on the listserver link
click on the babase link
click on "Visit Subscriber List"
and see who is subscribed.

> Why did Duke have  problem with setting this up?
> 
I don't know

> Do you all think that open subscription and then 'public' access is 
> fine?   If so and if we know whenever someone subscribes and if Duke had no 
> interesting reason not to set this up, then I'm ok with the arrangement,
> 
I run the Aphidgenomics list (Stern Lab) with 50 subscribers and the
Arts List (Wikelski lab) with the same options without problems. Should
be fine for you too.

> jeanne
> 
> 
Axel

> At 10:00 AM 2/16/2004 -0600, Karl O. Pinc wrote:
> 
> >On 2004.02.16 09:29 Jeanne Altmann wrote:
> >>Susan & Karl, having dealt with this a lot for the genetic resource, I'd 
> >>favor not making it public for the time being, i.e. until we really 
> >>intend it to be, unless you see it as a real impediment.
> >>However, perhaps we'd never have any confusion or unwanted traffic on it, 
> >>unlike the genetic resource.   I guess that as long as you have a stream 
> >>of some sort of the subscription list, then we'll know if it's going ok 
> >>and can change it if need be, right?
> >>jeanne
> >
> >Are you talking about making the archives public (which I just
> >spent a bunch of time writing about below) or allowing anybody
> >to subscribe?  Axel already has the list set up so that not just
> >anybody can write an email to the list, you have to subscribe first.
> >(I've never seen a spammer actually subscribe to a list, and if
> >there is one we can unsubscribe them.)  It's sort of a pain for
> >Axel (or you or somebody else) has to approve requests to
> >subscribe to the list, but if you like that can happen too.
> >
> >There's going to be mistakes, all the way around.  Unwanted traffic,
> >and bad decisions, and 'things I wish I hadn't said', and lots more.
> >But no matter what, the emails won't ever really go away, somebody
> >can pull them out of their own copies of thier email and anybody anywhere
> >can subscribe to the list and pull the old emails out of the archive.
> >I find it's a lot better to owe up to your mistakes, apologize if
> >necessary, and not try to pretend it didn't happen.  Having a public
> >record facilities this and thereby faclities correcting mistakes,
> >not repeating them, and generally aids progress all the way
> >around.
> >
> >On another note, anything that keeps off-topic information off
> >the list and out of the archives will help people who want only
> >to see what's relevant know that they can look at the list traffic
> >(the To: babase address of their incoming email) and see only relevant info.
> >
> >If you're really concerned I believe there's a way for Axel to give you
> >permission to delete things from the archive, but while possible
> >this may not be practible.
> >
> >You may have other reasons for wanting a private list, so go ahead
> >and make an executive decision if you don't feel like spending time
> >writing back and forth.
> >
> >>
> >>At 09:27 AM 2/16/2004 -0600, Karl O. Pinc wrote:
> >>>Please make the archives public.  Mostly, it's a pain to have
> >>>to put a password in to see the archives, which really reduces
> >>>their utility, but also because as long as there are archives
> >>>and anybody can subscribe without permission the archives really
> >>>are public anyhow and we should consider anything we write
> >>>to the list as public.  This is especally true because we've
> >>>fantasys about the babase programs being of some utility to
> >>>the larger scientific community and would hope to have people
> >>>outside our small group someday be involved, and these folk would
> >>>have access to the archives.
> >>>On 2004.02.16 08:44 Axel Haenssen wrote:
> >>>>Sure. List is set up and ready to go.
> >>>>- Go to www.eco.princeton.edu
> >>>>- Click on the list server link
> >>>>- Click on the Babase link
> >>>>Subscribe to the list.
> >>>>You will be send an email with a welcome note to the list, please
> >>>>follow
> >>>>the instructions in the email to confirm you subscription.
> >>>>Everybody can join the list, but only members can post to it. So if
> >>>>you
> >>>>have a collaborator/student/postdoc/etc. who wants to send messages to
> >>>>the list they have to subscribe to the list first.
> >>>>Mail to the list should be send to babase@bwf-master.princeton.edu
> >>>>Questions? Ask me.
> >>>>cheers
> >>>>Axel
> >>>> > >>>> Our requirements are:
> >>>> > >>>>  - That there be a searchable archive available from the web.
> >>>>check
> >>>> > >>>>  - That there be a web page for subscribing, unsubscribing and
> >>>> > >>>> otherwise managing the list.
> >>>>check
> >>>> > >>>>  - That the list support Reply-To: <listname> header addition.
> >>>>check
> >>>> > >>>>  - That the archive be exportable in mbox, maildir or other
> >>>> > >>>> standard mail format should we someday need to move the list
> >>>> > >>>> to another server.
> >>>>check
> >>>>--
> >>>>Axel Haenssen, RHCE
> >>>>Department of Ecology and
> >>>>Evolutionary Biology
> >>>>Princeton University
> >>>>Princeton, NJ 08540
> >>>>USA
> >>>>phone: +1-609-258-6999
> >>>>email: axel@princeton.edu
> >>>Karl <kop@meme.com>
> >>>Free Software:  "You don't pay back, you pay forward."
> >>>                  -- Robert A. Heinlein
> >
> >Karl <kop@meme.com>
> >Free Software:  "You don't pay back, you pay forward."
> >                  -- Robert A. Heinlein
-- 
Axel Haenssen, RHCE
Department of Ecology and 
Evolutionary Biology
Princeton University
Princeton, NJ 08540
USA
phone: +1-609-258-6999
email: axel@princeton.edu