[Babase] missing tdates in cycles

Jeanne Altmann babase@www.eco.princeton.edu
Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:21:21 -0400


Steph, we dealt with the two major batches--1989 and 1990--but, as you 
suggested, some others may be scorable.  If you give me a list of those to 
check, I'll fit them in each day/week.  At some point, if all seem 
unscorable to me, then we might quit, but you're probably right that I 
missed some and should give it a try.
jeanne

At 11:21 AM 5/5/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all -
>  Just to get everyone up to speed: While using repstats to add 
> reproductive state info to each point sample for the focal female, I 
> couldn't add repro info for about 10% of the point samples.  After some 
> more digging, it seems that much of the problem is due to missing tdates 
> in cycles.
>  Now, I've done some checking on the missing tdates.  Here's what it 
> looks like to me:  For Alto's group (or branches thereof), I think we 
> might want to do some rechecking of cycles in 1988 and 1989. For example, 
> in 1989 we are missing 210 different female days (with March being the 
> only month where we aren't missing anything). There are other years with 
> missing info with 2 likely explanations: (1)sparse data (say in December) 
> and/or (2) potential irregularity on the part of the female.  I say this 
> because we are missing a lot of info in 1990, but it's mostly due to 4 
> females who matured that year. I'm not so worried about these other years.
>
>Hook's: I'm worried about a bigger chunk of time here.  There are lots of 
>missing female days of data from 1988-1993.  In some years, there are days 
>each month (for the whole year for the majority of the females in the 
>group) missing.  While some months here and there have sparse data, to me, 
>it seems like we are missing many more tdates than we should be (need 
>Jeanne to check on this).  As an example, Limau in 1990.  We have ddates 
>in cycles for almost every month, but no tdates.  There are several months 
>where it seems like we could have tdates.  Keep in mind here, though, that 
>I haven't checked every case for every year - so there may be cases where 
>there's a simple explanation (i.e. nothing in cycles because she was 
>pregnant - but then why am I not getting a "P" from repstats? Karl?)
>
>Overall:  Most of the missing tdates seem to be from pre-Babase days.
>
>Next: what to do?  I think we should think about cycles first.  But then, 
>we might want to think about repstats.  In terms of Repstats, it can't 
>give me reproductive state info because of the missing tdates.  Also, in 
>some cases we miss info because repstats works from tdate to tdate. So, 
>there are cases where we have full cycle info for a female (tdate to 
>ddate), but no subsequent tdate - so we repstats doesn't give us anything.
>
>Let me if know if I need to clarify...
>steph
>
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