[Babase] [Fwd: Re: OFR error 9 feb]

Lacey Maryott lacey.maryott at duke.edu
Thu Feb 5 13:29:15 EST 2009


done

kfenn wrote:
> Lacey,
>
> Is this on your radar screen or 'to do' list?  Can you send me an 
> email when the row is gone so I can make the changes to OFR statdate?  
> I'm worried I'm going to forget about it.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tabby
>
> Susan Alberts wrote:
>> I agree the Psion data for OFR that day should be deleted.
>> Susan
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:08 AM, kfenn wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I just mentioned to Jeanne that this OFR issue had not been resolved 
>>> (see below).  She feels the psion sample row should be deleted.  If 
>>> Susan can give the final OK on this, Lacey can make the change and 
>>> put this to rest.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tabby
>>>
>>> Karl O. Pinc wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 12/10/2008 08:55:35 AM, Lacey Maryott wrote:
>>>>> Hey Tabby,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sending this to the babase list because I'm honestly not sure 
>>>>> if it can just be deleted.  I'm assuming it can.   Karl, is there 
>>>>> a validation rule that is creating this error? Make sense that 
>>>>> there would be.  If I can get the all clear from the powers that 
>>>>> be (Susan, Karl, Jeanne if you are following this) I will go ahead 
>>>>> and just delete these since I know there is no data other than 
>>>>> that she was out of sight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lacey
>>>>
>>>> (FYI This quoting style make it hard to tell who said what.)
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the lookup, Lacey.
>>>>> Are you allowed to delete the sample?  I can't update the statdate 
>>>>> to her true deathdate because the validation rules are telling me 
>>>>> that she can't be recorded as dead the same day she has a row in 
>>>>> SAMPLES....?  Probably a new (and rare) problem with the 
>>>>> validation rules.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tabby
>>>>>
>>>>> Lacey Maryott wrote:
>>>>>> Hey  Tabby,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I just looked at this, and OFR was out of site for the whole 
>>>>>> sample on 9 Feb. That just means they had her picked to sample 
>>>>>> that day, but when she wasn't there, they just went through her 
>>>>>> 10 minutes entering that she was out of site, presumably incase 
>>>>>> by chance she rejoined the group. Hope this helps!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lacey
>>>>>>
>>>>>> kfenn wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Lacey,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not even going to attempt to explain how I found this screwy 
>>>>>>> thing, but I need your help to correct it so I can update the 
>>>>>>> statdate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OFR (Omo's) has a demog note for 9 Feb 2008 that says she was 
>>>>>>> not found during the census.  However, she has row in SAMPLES 
>>>>>>> for this date (it didn't throw an error for you because I put 
>>>>>>> the demog note in so Babase assumed she was really in the census 
>>>>>>> that day.).
>>>>
>>>> Yes, putting a demog note in for an individual makes them present
>>>> on that day.  Right now there is no provision for having
>>>> a demography note for an absent individual.  If we
>>>> want to do that I could make some changes.
>>>>
>>>> One way around this is to mark them absent (A) in
>>>> CENSUS on that day, but _not_ mark the census row
>>>> CEN column TRUE, so it'd be a census row that's
>>>> _not_ there because of a census.  Right now,
>>>> when a demography note goes in and there's an
>>>> absence recorded in census, the demography note
>>>> changes the absence to a D, indicating presence
>>>> due to demography note.  It could check the CEN
>>>> column and only make the change when the CENSUS
>>>> row was input as part of a census.  That way you
>>>> could manually put an 'A' in and it would "stick"
>>>> when you put a demography note in.  (We'd also
>>>> have to have the manual "A" automatically removed
>>>> when the demography note was removed -- I think.)
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you check on this and let me know what we ought to do?  
>>>>>>> Deleting the SAMPLES row would make sense it unless OFR was 
>>>>>>> actually there that day.  In that caseI need to change the 
>>>>>>> census from absent to present.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tabby
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Tabby Fenn
>>>>> Research Assistant
>>>>>
>>>>> Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
>>>>> 401 Guyot Hall
>>>>> Princeton University
>>>>> Princeton, NJ  08544
>>>>>
>>>>> 609 258-6898 (Ph)
>>>>> 609 258-2712 (Fx)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Lacey Maryott
>>>>> Alberts Lab
>>>>> Department of Biology
>>>>> Duke University
>>>>> ph: 919-660-7306
>>>>> fax: 919-660-7293
>>>>> Lacey.Maryott at duke.edu
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>>>>
>>>> Karl <kop at meme.com>
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>>> -- 
>>> Tabby Fenn
>>> Research Assistant
>>>
>>> Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
>>> 401 Guyot Hall
>>> Princeton University
>>> Princeton, NJ  08544
>>>
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>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> Susan Alberts, Dept of Biology, Duke University, Box 90338, Durham NC 
>> 27708, 919-660-7272 (Ph), 919-660-7293 (Fax)
>>
>>
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Lacey Maryott
Alberts Lab
Department of Biology
Duke University
ph: 919-660-7306
fax: 919-660-7293
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