FW: [Babase] GPS Notes for Babase/General Use
Lacey Maryott
lacey.maryott at duke.edu
Wed Sep 9 10:39:05 EDT 2009
In General, "B" and "E" indicate the beginning and end of the teams time
with given groups, so it seems that they mean the same thing here, and
are unlikely to represent the actual length of time that the subgroup
existed.
The notes in the GPS file that I got just said that they couldn't find
four individuals. They went and found them and GPS'd them as the
subgroup. They then 'went back to the main group'.
Handwritten September Demog and Subgroup notes won't be here for a
while, but you could ask the team? This should be pretty fresh in their
minds.
Lacey
Catherine Markham wrote:
> So the "S" and "E" indicate the begin/end of subgroup formation, or
> the begin/end of the team's time with a particular subgroup? If you
> don't mind me asking, what do the hand-written subgroup notes look
> like for Weaver's group on this day?
>
> Catherine
>
> Lacey Maryott wrote:
>> To Be clear, I don't believe these notes in the GPS are to the
>> exclusion of handwritten notes.. It is notes to me saying, "These two
>> points were with a subgroup, then we went back to the main group."
>> For example, (and I sent Niki an attachment off-list)
>>
>> W0830 04/09/2009 08:30 37 M 287371 9699372 1131.8
>> WBS 04/09/2009 09:05 37 M 287978 9697232 1140.5
>> W0930 04/09/2009 09:31 37 M 287978 9697230 1142.6
>> WES 04/09/2009 09:48 37 M 287980 9697234 1141.4
>>
>>
>> The note to me in this case would be that they were with the subgroup
>> at WBS ( i am interpreting this as 'Begin Subgroup'), W0930, and at
>> WES (End Subgroup?). There are notes written to me to imply this. We
>> just want to be sure that it is clear what these notations mean, or
>> be able to integrate the notes associated with the files to let the
>> user know what the notations mean, OR come up with a standard system,
>> or all of the above.
>>
>> I really hope this is making more sense now. I certainly didn't mean
>> for this to get so complex.
>>
>> Lacey
>>
>> Niki Learn wrote:
>>> Perhaps an example would help? Where can I find one? 'Cause I'm
>>> really
>>> quite sure the conclusion of the one part of that string (I think
>>> this was
>>> while you were out for the wedding) was that the notes should still be
>>> handwritten, so I'm not sure how that might have gotten lost on the
>>> Kenya
>>> end since Susan was very involved in the conversation. I think they
>>> were
>>> supposed to include an S on the GPS (sorry - don't know where I
>>> pulled psion
>>> out of...) to denote that it is a subgroup but beyond that the GPS
>>> was not
>>> supposed to contain further information.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lacey Maryott [mailto:lacey.maryott at duke.edu] Sent: Wednesday,
>>> September 09, 2009 9:18 AM
>>> To: Niki Learn; The Baboon Database Project
>>> Subject: Re: FW: [Babase] GPS Notes for Babase/General Use
>>>
>>> The GPS is what these are collected in. That is where you will find
>>> the data, and I send that to Catherine periodically. But yes, as
>>> Susan recalls they never came to an agreement as to what to do in
>>> the GPS, although the team has been recording these subgroupings as
>>> best as possible in the GPS units with notes, and different
>>> notations. I don't think the data is lost, it is there, it is just a
>>> matter of understanding it, and being able to get it back out
>>> somehow. That is what my initial e-mail was in reference too.
>>>
>>> I hope this clarifies
>>> Lacey
>>>
>>> Niki Learn wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sure - I tried to look it up but there were so many emails going on
>>>> then I
>>>> had trouble tracing the one thread to figure out what the
>>>> conclusion was.
>>>> But it looks like we are both agreed that regardless of what they were
>>>>
>>> doing
>>>
>>>> in the psion they were supposed to be writing down subgroup notes on
>>>>
>>> paper.
>>>
>>>> Wonder how they came to be putting notes in the psion...? Maybe I
>>>> need to
>>>> dig into those files to add whatever notes are in them to the subgroup
>>>> tables I've been putting together. -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Catherine Markham [mailto:amarkham at Princeton.EDU] Sent:
>>>> Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:24 PM
>>>> To: Niki Learn
>>>> Subject: Re: FW: [Babase] GPS Notes for Babase/General Use
>>>>
>>>> I do get those messages, but thanks for checking.
>>>>
>>>> As for what was discussed with the subgrouping, I actually thought
>>>> we had decided not to ask the team to add the "S" to the Psion (I
>>>> could be mistaken, though). Instead, I thought it had been agreed
>>>> to record everything by hand on the subgroups datasheets. It is a
>>>> bit discouraging to hear now that nothing was ever solidified (I
>>>> somehow had a different impression by the end of our email
>>>> exchanges about all this). Shoot, certainly would be a real shame
>>>> to have lost data on a fission simply because protocols weren't in
>>>> place.
>>>>
>>>> I'll be in the lab tomorrow. Maybe we can rethink the exchange
>>>> about all this in person then?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Niki Learn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you get this? Not sure if you are subscribed to both lists...
>>>>> Isn't
>>>>> this off?
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: babase-bounces at eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU
>>>>> [mailto:babase-bounces at eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU] On Behalf Of Lacey
>>>>>
>>>> Maryott
>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:45 PM
>>>>> To: The Baboon Database Project
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Babase] GPS Notes for Babase/General Use
>>>>>
>>>>> Susan said that she spoke with them team while she was there, but
>>>>> nothing was ever really solidified in terms of what they are doing
>>>>> or how it should be standardized.
>>>>>
>>>>> Niki Learn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought from the big discussion in June that field personnel were
>>>>>>
>>>>> supposed
>>>>>
>>>>>> to include an S (for subgroups) in the psion waypoint name and then
>>>>>>
>>> write
>>>
>>>>>> out a normal subgroups note on paper as they normally would...
>>>>>> Is that
>>>>>>
>>>>> not
>>>>>
>>>>>> what is happening?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way, in addition to the data Catherine and I are compiling on
>>>>>> subgroups, I just finished putting together a table showing all
>>>>>>
>>> sightings
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>> the Ositeti subgroups in 2009. It is difficult to tell who is in
>>>>>> what
>>>>>>
>>>>> group
>>>>>
>>>>>> at any given time because, though 17 baboons have been sighted in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>> group
>>>>>
>>>>>> at one point or another this year (Jill and 16 males, four with
>>>>>>
>>> collars),
>>>
>>>>>> the team typically only lists about 1-3 individuals seen in the
>>>>>> group
>>>>>>
>>> (if
>>>
>>>>>> any). And there has only been one formal census of one of the
>>>>>> subgroups
>>>>>>
>>>>> all
>>>>>
>>>>>> year. I was hoping to at least sort out which group Lawyer (with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>> GPS
>>>
>>>>>> collar) is in but he is often listed alone or with a subset of other
>>>>>>
>>>>> males.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Other times he is seen with Jill and other times with Latin (and
>>>>>>
>>>>> supposedly
>>>>>
>>>>>> Latin is in a different subgroup from Jill). So maybe he is
>>>>>> bouncing
>>>>>>
>>>>> around
>>>>>
>>>>>> a lot but it would be helpful to know which subgroup he is in at any
>>>>>>
>>>> given
>>>>
>>>>>> time so we know which is being tracked on GPS. The groups were more
>>>>>> consistently referred to as either Jill's or Latin's in the July
>>>>>> data
>>>>>>
>>> (or
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> at
>>>>>
>>>>>> least the big and small group, the small being Latin's), but not
>>>>>> always.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Niki
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: babase-bounces at eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU
>>>>>> [mailto:babase-bounces at eeblistserv.Princeton.EDU] On Behalf Of Lacey
>>>>>>
>>>>> Maryott
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:35 PM
>>>>>> To: The Baboon Database Project
>>>>>> Subject: [Babase] GPS Notes for Babase/General Use
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a note about GPS data
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is starting to be the case that the GPS files coming back from
>>>>>> the field are containing extensive notes about subgrouping, etc.
>>>>>> It is becoming clear to both Susan and myself that a good system
>>>>>> for 'notes' and documenting this needs to be developed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In addition, we will also need to be sure to include in the
>>>>>> babase design for GPS data (whenever that happens) that we will
>>>>>> need to have a 'notes' capability of some sort to include these
>>>>>> notes about which subgroups the observers are with, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just something we should be keeping in mind
>>>>>> Lacey
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
--
Lacey Maryott
Alberts Lab
Department of Biology
Duke University
ph: 919-660-7306
fax: 919-660-7293
Lacey.Maryott at duke.edu
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