[Babase] Fwd: quick tooth question
Karl O. Pinc
kop at meme.com
Thu Jul 15 12:06:34 EDT 2010
On 07/15/2010 10:10:19 AM, Lacey Maryott Roerish wrote:
> I consulted with Jordi regarding toothsites for the darting database.
> He
> said 2 systems for assigning toothsites are widely used. I have
> included
> links for both. I don't have a particular preference, except that
> the
> second one (The one recommended by jordi) differentiates more clearly
> between deciduous and adult.
> So for example, Using system one, the upper right decidous M1 would
> be
> toothsite 28, and the upper right permanent M1 would be toothsite 30,
> whereas the upper right Permanent premolar 1 would be toothsite 28.
>
> http://www.redbankendodontics.com/images/referring-doctors/permanent-
> dentition.gif
> (system 1)
>
> Using system two, the upper right decidous M1 would be toothsite 54,
> and the
> upper right permanent M1 would be toothsite 16, whereas the upper
> right
> Permanent premolar 1 would be toothsite 14.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_notation (system 2)
>
> Susan, Jeanne, do you have any preference? Anyone else have any
> input?
I was thinking that the toothcodes would distinguish between
deciduous and adult and that the toothsite would be used when
you want no such distinction but instead want to know about
the location within the mouth.
>
> FWIW, jordi mentioned a third system, but that is basically what we
> are
> already using for the toothcodes. That is why i haven't elaborated on
> it
> here.
>
> Cheers
> Lacey
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jordi Galbany <jordigalbany at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:40 AM
> Subject: Re: quick tooth question
> To: Lacey Maryott Roerish <lkm9 at duke.edu>
>
>
> Hi Lacey!
> I'm doing well! But still looking for a job! I hope you improve your
> situation, whatever is going on...
>
>
>
> Regarding teeth positions, “sites” or notation, there are mostly 3
> methods
> than can be applied. The first one is the diagram you found (the
> Universal
> numbering system)… but I think is not really very intuitive… There is
> a
> second numeric system, more logical, where you also assign a number
> to
> a
> tooth, but taking into account if that particular tooth is on the
> left
> of
> right side, and lower or upper jaw… following this diagram (World
> dental
> federation system):
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_notation
>
>
>
> Both systems are numeric, but you have to add letters (Universal
> system) or
> more numbers (WDF system) for milk teeth…
>
>
>
> I don’t like any of these systems, although I have to use them
> sometimes,
> especially for particular analysis. I prefer to use a more
> descriptive
> method, more common in anthropology. As, for example, LLM1 (lower
> left
> M1 or
> first molar), URI2 (upper right I2 o second incisor)… Even LM1 for
> lower and
> LM1 for upper... Always, "I" means incisor, "C": canine, "P":
> premolar
> and
> "M": molar. Capital letters is used for adult teeth and for milk
> teeth
> you
> use “i”, “c” and “m”, but the same system…
>
>
> Humans and baboons have the same number of teeth... so you can use
> any
> of
> these notations for both...
>
>
> I hope it’s clear enough!
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> jordi
>
>
>
> El 14/07/2010 17:47, Lacey Maryott Roerish escribió:
>
> Jordi,
>
> Hello! how are you? Doing ok here, things a bit complicated
> right
> now, But I will be ok :). I have one more quick question for you.
> I
> am
> trying to assign 'tooth sites' for each of the teeth in the baboon's
> mouth.
> I found a diagram online, but can you tell me if this is the
> generally
> accepted labeling of tooth sites? We just need SOME numeric system.
>
>
> http://www.redbankendodontics.com/images/referring-doctors/permanent-
> dentition.gif
>
> Thanks so much
> Lacey
>
>
>
>
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> - -
> Lacey K. Maryott Roerish
> Alberts Lab
> Department of Biology
> Duke University
> ph: 919-660-7306
> fax: 919-660-7293
> Lacey.Maryott at duke.edu
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