[Babase] ranks data -- conference needed?

Susan Alberts babase@www.eco.princeton.edu
Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:33:56 -0500


Thanks Daphne, this is very helpful and makes sense of what little I 
knew as well.

Regarding DHO, on looking at Leah's note again I am not sure where 
the problem came from but it is NOT with ranks per se (Leah, please 
confirm). DHO has  rankgrp 1.10, rnkdate = 01/08/97, birthdate= 
18/11/2003. I don't know if this is a holdover of the name change or 
not. Sorry about the confusion.

I am sort of feeling that it wold be helfpul to have a conference 
call about this, between me Leah Jeanne and Catherine. I need a bit 
of help before seeing the way clear to going ahead. After Leah gets 
back, let's talk about it, OK with everyone?

Susan

>Hi all,
>
>I thought I'd chime in here since I can maybe shed some light on 
>some of these issues with male ranks.  I'll respond to Susan's 
>second email separately.
>
>
>>  Over the past 18 months or so I have been sending data to Daphne
>>  that
>>  is meant to be entered in the ranks file of  babase (it is data on
>>  male ranks). This is combination of actual male rankings (e.g. for
>>  2001 and 2002) and corrections of existing ranks. There are a
>>  number
>>  of these files, which Daphne (mostly) kept good track of but never
>>  entered,  presumably because she did not have time.
>
>
>Yes, the main reason the corrections and new ranks didn't get 
>entered was that I didn't have time - it was on my list of things to 
>do before I left, and unfortunately it was one of the things I just 
>didn't get to.  I tried to organize it all as best I could for 
>Catherine.
>
>Also, I never really felt great about our tentative solution to the 
>problem of how to get the new ranks into the Ranks table.  We talked 
>about doing the new adult male ranks manually, since there is 
>currently no way to get them in using Ranker (it will of course be 
>possible when the new male maturation tables are in there and the 
>"ranked by" dates are entered).  But using what ranktype?  Susan had 
>suggested using ALL, even though it would just be for adult males. 
>Using ranktype ADM (adult males) could be weird, since eventually we 
>will be generating that ranktype in a different way (using Ranker). 
>Neither seemed great to me, but I haven't thought of a better 
>solution.  It sounds like you're still planning to go ahead with the 
>manual entry (using ranktype ALL?).
>
>That makes me think, though, that if you pushed to get the "ranked 
>by" dates into the new table (if the table exists yet), you could do 
>the adult male ranks properly using Ranker, with ranktype ADM.  Just 
>a thought - I know you want them in there soon.
>
>Also, I did start to address at some point some of the corrections 
>that Susan and Karen sent me, and I encountered some problems with 
>them.  I can't remember exactly what they were at this point, but I 
>think it had to do with individuals not being in the corrections 
>list that were actually in the group at the time, or something like 
>that.  It was at a time when Susan wasn't around to ask, and I think 
>it got put back on the back burner.  Just something for Leah to be 
>aware of as she's dealing with the corrections.
>
>OK, more soon.
>Daphne
>
>
>
>
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